Potential recession would harm mental health: Experts

Potential recession would harm mental health: Experts
Potential recession would harm mental health: Experts
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(NEW YORK) — Jey Austen, a brand designer at a fintech company, lost their job about two weeks ago. But the layoff didn’t come as a surprise, said Austen, 27, who is trans and uses they/them pronouns.

A market downturn in recent months has hammered the tech industry, eliciting a wave of layoffs. Austen, whose lease on an apartment in Austin, Texas ends in August, will receive three weeks of severance pay but otherwise lacks savings, they said.

“Worst comes to worst, I’ll sleep in my car,” said Austen, who was making $80,000 a year. “It’s a sucky situation all around.”

Compounding the stress, Austen will likely struggle to afford their usual weekly therapy appointments, they said. To save money, they’re considering a reduction to bi-weekly or monthly appointments. “Therapy was already expensive,” Austen said.

Austen is hardly alone. So far this year, more than 21,000 tech workers have been laid off, according to Crunchbase. While notable, the layoffs make up a small fraction of the 8.9 million tech employees nationwide, according to an employment tally from the industry trade group CompTIA.

Across the economy, acute financial distress could grow as the Federal Reserve pursues a series of rate hikes that aim to dial back sky-high inflation but risk tipping the economy into a recession, experts told ABC News earlier this month.

Nearly 70% of economists believe that a recession will begin at some point next year, according to a survey of 49 macroeconomists conducted by the Financial Times and Chicago University’s Booth School of Business this month.

Research has linked economic recessions — a shrinking of economic output that lasts at least several months — with a rise in mental health issues, such as anxiety, depression and even suicide, experts told ABC News. In hard economic times, the prevalence of potentially catastrophic financial events — such as job loss or foreclosure — exacerbates preexisting mental health challenges and gives rise to new ones, worsening such challenges further if a financial downturn persists over many months or years.

Moreover, since the U.S. healthcare system largely ties insurance to employment, the loss of a job often compromises access to mental health support when a person needs it most, the experts said. The prospect of heightened mental health issues — combined with inadequate support — poses added concern in light of the pandemic, which has already taken a toll on the psyches of many people, the experts added.

“After COVID, there was an unprecedented rise in mental health issues,” Ronald Kessler, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News. “This coming in the wake of that is a real double whammy.”

Typically, the economy loses millions of jobs in a recession. During the Great Recession, between 2007 and 2009, nonfarm employment dropped by 6.8 million jobs while the unemployment rate rose from 4.8% to 9.6%, according to the Federal Reserve of St. Louis.

A robust, decades-long body of research links economic downturns with a rise in mental health issues, establishing the role played by a spike in major hardships tied to employment, housing, and other financial supports, experts told ABC News.

A 2019 study published in the Association for Psychological Science — which examined individuals affected by the Great Recession — found an increase in depression, anxiety, and problematic drug use among those who underwent even a single major hardship, such as job loss or foreclosure, let alone multiple incidents.

The loss of a job during the Great Recession increased the risk of a mood disorder in the U.S. by 22%, according to a study released last year by researchers at the University of Alberta that examined the available literature on the subject. The researchers also found found 1.2 to 5.8 times higher odds of a major depressive episode associated with the experience of home foreclosure during the Great Recession.

“Pre-existing mental health issues get worse, and mental health issues newly arise for some undergoing economic hardship,” Ralph Catalano, a professor of public health at the University of California, Berkeley, told ABC News. “How would you feel if you lost your job?”

Chris Ruhm, a economics and public policy professor at the University of Virginia who specializes in the health effects of economic downturns, put it bluntly: “When the economy gets worse, mental health gets worse,” he said

One alarming finding shows a correlation between recessions and increased rates of suicide, Ruhm said. Between 2008 and 2010, the first three years following the financial crisis, the suicide rate rose at a pace more than four times higher than it had over the eight years prior to the crisis, according to a 2012 study in The Lancet. “We’ve known for many years that the suicide rate goes up reliably with the unemployment rate,” Ruhm said.

The adverse mental health effects of an economic downturn fall disproportionately on low-income people and minorities, since they’re less likely to have built up savings or alternative sources of wealth that could soften the blow, experts said.

“People of lower socioeconomic status are always more adversely affected by things like this,” Catalano said. “They have a more difficult time when recessions come.”

The scale of such mental health effects depends on the severity and duration of a recession, experts said. A long recession can prolong the time that individuals spend out of work, deepening mental health struggles as a person grapples with financial stress and possible feelings of self-blame, experts said. “When there’s a more severe recession, the effects are going to be more severe,” said Ruhm, the economics professor at the University of Virginia.

To be sure, the U.S. economy could avoid a recession altogether. If a recession does occur, it could prove short and mild, some economists predict. A mild downturn would blunt many of the worst mental health effects, in part because people are better equipped to withstand a brief financial challenge with savings or government support, experts said.

“With economic downturns that are short, it’s not an enormous effect,” said Kessler, the professor at Harvard Medical School. “A lot of resources are there to buffer for those types of things.”

Still, a potential recession brings stress, in part because the extent of financial difficulty remains uncertain, even for those in the middle and upper-middle class, Ruhm said. “In general, people live with a degree of anxiety and uncertainty,” he said.

A New York City-based employee at the cryptocurrency exchange Coinbase — who was laid off this month and requested anonymity due to the terms of a severance agreement — said the prospect of a recession worries her because it could dry up job prospects after the severance pay runs out.

“What if a recession happens and I don’t get something?” she said. “How will I pay the rent?”

If you are struggling with thoughts of suicide or worried about a friend or loved one, help is available. Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 [TALK] for free, confidential emotional support 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

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Scoreboard roundup — 6/28/22

Scoreboard roundup — 6/28/22
Scoreboard roundup — 6/28/22
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(NEW YORK) — Here are the scores from Tuesday’s sports events:

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL

INTERLEAGUE
Houston 9, NY Mets 1
Milwaukee 5, Tampa Bay 3
San Francisco 4, Detroit 3

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Cleveland 3, Minnesota 2
NY Yankees 2, Oakland 1
Minnesota 6, Cleveland 0
Toronto 6, Boston 5
Texas 8, Kansas City 3
Seattle 2, Baltimore 0
Chi White Sox 11, LA Angels 4

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Washington 3, Pittsburgh 1
Atlanta 5, Philadelphia 3
St. Louis 5, Miami 3
Colorado 7, LA Dodgers 4
Cincinnati 5, Chi Cubs 3
Arizona 7, San Diego 6

WOMEN’S NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION
Washington 92, Atlanta 74
Minnesota 92, Dallas 64

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Man gored by bison at Yellowstone National Park in second attack this year

Man gored by bison at Yellowstone National Park in second attack this year
Man gored by bison at Yellowstone National Park in second attack this year
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(IDAHO FALLS, Idaho) — A 34-year-old man is recovering from injuries sustained at Yellowstone National Park after he was charged at and brutally gored by a bison when he and his family got too close to the animal.

The incident occurred near Giant Geyser at Old Faithful on Monday when the unidentified man from Colorado Springs, Colorado, was walking with his family on a boardwalk at Yellowstone National Park when a bull bison began charging at them, according to a press release issued by the park.

“Family members did not leave the area, and the bull bison continued to charge and gored the male,” the statement from Yellowstone continued. “The male sustained an injury to his arm and was transported by ambulance to the Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center.”

It is unclear whether the family had gotten too close to the animal or if the attack was unprovoked but Yellowstone officials confirmed that the incident remains under investigation and did not disclose any further information on the man’s condition.

Yellowstone warned that park regulations mandate people stay at least 25 yards away from bison at all times because they are unpredictable animals and can run three times faster than humans can.

“This is the second reported incident in 2022 of a visitor getting too close to the animal and the bison responding to the perceived threat by goring the individual,” said Yellowstone National Park.

That incident occurred just last month on May 30 when a 25-year-old woman from Grove City, Ohio, approached a bison within 10 feet near Black Sand Basin, located just north of Old Faithful at Yellowstone, causing the animal to charge at her. The victim was subsequently gored by the bison and tossed 10 feet into the air before she was immediately taken to the hospital for treatment, according to a statement from Yellowstone National Park released at the time of the incident.

“Yellowstone’s scenic wonders are sure to take your breath away: don’t let them take your life,” warns Yellowstone National Park on its page online for park safety. Some of the rules highlighted by the park include never approach wildlife, stay on boardwalks and trails in thermal areas, and never feed wildlife.

“Bison have injured more people in Yellowstone than any other animal,” says the park. “Always stay at least 25 yards (23 m) away from bison.”

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R. Kelly faces sentencing today, could spend rest of life in prison

R. Kelly faces sentencing today, could spend rest of life in prison
R. Kelly faces sentencing today, could spend rest of life in prison
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(NEW YORK) — Singer and convicted sexual predator R. Kelly will appear before a judge today for sentencing in a Brooklyn federal court for racketeering that involved a dozen separate criminal acts, including sex with underage girls.

The former R&B crooner, whose real name is Robert Kelly, could spend the rest of his life in prison. Federal prosecutors say he deserves to be sentenced in “excess of 25 years” due to the severe nature of his offenses.

In September, during his sex-trafficking trial, a jury found Kelly, 55, guilty on nine counts, including leading a criminal enterprise that recruited women and children for sex, which prosecutors called “calculated” and “methodical.”

During his trial, nearly four dozen witnesses testified for the prosecution, alleging that he preyed upon children and women for his sexual gratification.

He was also convicted in a bribery scheme involving a public official to get a fake ID for the late singer Aaliyah, so the two could marry when she was 15 and he was 27. Kelly believed Aaliyah was pregnant at the time, prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo.

Kelly produced Aaliyah’s debut album, titled “Age Ain’t Nothing but a Number.” She died in a plane crash in 2001 at 22 years old.

“Kelly relied upon his fame, money and popularity as an R&B recording star and used the large network of people his status afforded him — including his business managers, security guards and bouncers, runners, lawyers, accountants and assistants to both carry out and conceal his crimes,” prosecutors said. “He continued his crimes and avoided punishment for them for almost 30 years and must now be held to account.”

The singer declined to testify at the six-week trial but could speak during Wednesday’s sentencing hearing. His defense team is asking for less than 14 years in prison, citing Kelly’s traumatic childhood.

In 2016, he revealed in a GQ interview that a female family member sexually abused him.

The defense also cast his accusers as motivated by money.

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Morgane Stapleton shares a few of her favorite items at her store, Tennessee Turquoise Company

Morgane Stapleton shares a few of her favorite items at her store, Tennessee Turquoise Company
Morgane Stapleton shares a few of her favorite items at her store, Tennessee Turquoise Company
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Chris Stapleton‘s wife Morgane Stapleton has a fondness for all the pieces in her jewelry store, Tennessee Turquoise Company, but there are a select few that stand above the rest. 

Among Morgane’s favorite items right now are a butterfly cuff bracelet made of Bisbee turquoise dating back to the 1920s, handmade by the Navajo people, along with a turquoise ring from the 1930s.

The singer is also admiring a stamped silver hat band accented by a trio of hand-cut turquoise stones and a variety of vintage silverware, including a 1940s era set of a fork and spoon with a delicate gemstone on the handle that possesses “heirloom quality,” they describe. 

Among some of Morgane’s other favorite things are her own brand of candles that emit scents of African ginger and mahogany wood, with the packaging designed by Morgane herself, along with a silver ash tray and horse pin.

The singer-songwriter was inspired to open Tennessee Turquoise Company in Franklin in 2019 after she and her husband took trips out west and she became enamored with turquoise when visiting many shops that sell the gem.    

A portion of the proceeds are donated to the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center.  

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Scotty McCreery, wife Gabi’s dog Moose has helped prepare them for kids: “He’s the man”

Scotty McCreery, wife Gabi’s dog Moose has helped prepare them for kids: “He’s the man”
Scotty McCreery, wife Gabi’s dog Moose has helped prepare them for kids: “He’s the man”
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Scotty McCreery and his wife, Gabi, are about to become parents for the first time, but they’ve already gotten some practice in with their dog, Moose. 

The couple welcomed the yellow Lab into their family in 2019 when he was 3 months old. In the years since, the couple has given him a dream life that includes hikes through the mountains in their home state of North Carolina and indulging in Moose’s favorite activity — swimming. 

“Sometimes he gets a little sassy with us, if he only wants to eat at certain times or whatever. But it’s like, ‘You get to run around, we’ll take you to the beach, you get to go hiking in the mountains and swimming in waterfalls,'” Scotty describes of their relationship with Moose, noting that the pup has a “good life.”

The singer adds that they spend a lot of time at Gabi’s parents’ lake house so Moose can swim in the lake (oftentimes chasing kayakers for a half mile). And if the way they dote on Moose is any indication of how they’ll be as parents, it’s safe to say their child will be loved and cared for. Scotty shared with People that having Moose was “great training for kids one day.” 

“He loves going to his boarding. They call it Pet Resort and Spa. They have a pool for him and they send us pictures, he’s loving life,” Scotty adds. “I can’t even remember life without Moose. It’s so funny because now, nobody ever asks, ‘How are you doing?’ or ‘How are you and Gabi?’ It’s, ‘How’s Moose doing?’ That’s all we ever get nowadays is, ‘How’s Moose?’ But we love it. He’s the man.” 

Scotty and Gabi are expecting a baby boy in November.  

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‘Jerry and Marge Go Large’s Larry Wilmore discusses the movie’s “inspirational” message

‘Jerry and Marge Go Large’s Larry Wilmore discusses the movie’s “inspirational” message
‘Jerry and Marge Go Large’s Larry Wilmore discusses the movie’s “inspirational” message
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In the new Paramount plus film Jerry and Marge Go Large, a couple, played by Bryan Cranston and Annette Bening, beat the lottery by exploiting a loophole in the math and use the winnings to benefit their town.

Larry Wilmore plays the couple’s accountant, and he tells ABC Audio the script fell into his lap when he needed it the most — during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“I really [needed] something to give me hope,” he recalls. “And just that story of Jerry and Marge, you know, just how simple it was. I mean, the guy…just he just wanted to figure out puzzles, you know? He wasn’t trying to win money. That was like a bonus…And then the fact that he got the whole town involved, that was fantastic. I love that part of it.”

The multitalented 60-year-old comedian whose numerous credits include serving as executive producer on the ABC sitcom, black-ish, and as a co-creator, with Issa Rae on the HBO series Insecure, reveals that once upon a time, math was actually his thing, but comedy eventually won out.

“I was taking calculus as a sophomore in high school…I was on that math track,” he explains. “But after a while, comedy just became a little more fun than the math, you know?…I’m not like math genius type of thing, way far from that.”

Wilmore says he used to play the lottery “all the time” back in the day, but not so much these days.

“I’m a big-stakes lottery guy,” he shares. “If it’s like 25 million, I’m like, come on, lottery. You got to do better than that…But when it’s like 500 million?…I’m like, okay, you can get my $2, on 500 million.”

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BoyWithUke’s “Toxic” reaches #1 on ‘Billboard’ Alternative Airplay chart

BoyWithUke’s “Toxic” reaches #1 on ‘Billboard’ Alternative Airplay chart
BoyWithUke’s “Toxic” reaches #1 on ‘Billboard’ Alternative Airplay chart
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BoyWithUke may need new friends, but he’s got a whole lot of listeners.

The mysterious, masked artist’s viral hit “Toxic” has officially hit #1 on Billboard‘s Alternative Airplay chart, making it the first BoyWithUke track to reach the top of any Billboard song ranking.

All told, “Toxic” took 31 weeks between its debut on Alternative Airplay and its ascension to #1. That ties Phoenix‘s “1901” for the sixth-longest journey to #1 on Alternative Airplay.

“Toxic” was first released in October 2021, and its lyric video has over 57 million views on YouTube. It’s included on BoyWithUke’s new album, Serotonin Dreams, which was released in May.

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Graham Nash says his next solo album “is almost done”

Graham Nash says his next solo album “is almost done”
Graham Nash says his next solo album “is almost done”
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Graham Nash‘s latest solo studio album, This Path Tonight, was released over six years ago, but the folk-rock legend says he’s finally almost finished with a follow-up record.

“I think I’m two songs from completing it,” Nash tells ABC Audio. “I’ve got 10. I want to add a couple more. I know what I’m gonna add. So it is almost done.”

Nash, who turned 80 in February, says “the most interesting thing” about the new album is that “it was done completely remotely.”

Explaining how the songs came together, Graham notes, “I have a small, tiny studio in my bathroom in Manhattan. I would put down a song on an acoustic guitar and a vocal track. I would send [the tracks] to [guitarist] Shane [Fontayne] in California. He’d put on the bass, his guitars and a harmony vocal. He would then send all those files to [keyboardist] Todd Caldwell in Brooklyn…who would put on all the keyboards and a harmony vocal. He would then send them…to his brother, [drummer] Toby [Caldwell,] in Lubbock, Texas, who would then put on all the drums.”

Nash adds that the audio files would then be sent back to him and Todd, who is producing the album, and Caldwell “would then make a thing of it.”

Graham reports that the new album is being mixed by Kevin Killen, who also mixed his recent concert album, Graham Nash: Live — Songs for Beginners/Wild Tales.

Meanwhile, Graham is preparing to launch a new U.S. summer tour on July 13 in Red Bank, New Jersey, and he says he plans to include some of the new material in his sets. The trek, which will visit various venue in the Northeast, is mapped out through an August 8 concert in Ocean City, New Jersey.

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Key takeaways from Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony to Jan. 6 committee

Key takeaways from Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony to Jan. 6 committee
Key takeaways from Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony to Jan. 6 committee
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(WASHINGTON) — The House Jan. 6 committee’s surprise hearing on Tuesday featured highly-anticipated and explosive testimony from someone who was inside the White House both as the Capitol attack unfolded and in the days before.

Cassidy Hutchinson, a former top adviser to then-President Donald Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows, spent some two hours divulging details about what went on behind-the-scenes leading up to, during and after the attack.

Committee members and even some former Trump staffers hailed the 25-year-old for showing the courage to deliver her testimony publicly. Chair Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said members felt it important to offer her “firsthand” accounts “immediately.”

“It hasn’t always been easy to get that information, because the same people who drove the former president’s pressure campaign to overturn the election are now trying to cover up the truth about Jan. 6,” Thompson said. “But thanks to the courage of certain individuals, the truth won’t be buried. The American people won’t be left in the dark.”

With Hutchinson’s testimony, Vice Chair Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., argued that Trump and Meadows were well aware of the potential for violence at the Capitol last year yet ultimately dismissed the warnings. Trump even demanded to be taken to the Capitol alongside his supporters, Hutchinson said, despite concerns of legality and security from his team.

Here are some key takeaways from Hutchinson’s testimony:

Trump’s chief of staff knew Jan. 6 might get ‘real, real bad’

Kicking off her revelatory account before the committee, Hutchinson said that Meadows had warned her on Jan. 2, 2021, that “things might get real, real bad on Jan. 6.”

She said Meadows made the remarks to Hutchinson after meeting with Rudy Giuliani, who was at that point a central figure in Trump’s campaign to overturn the election. After the meeting, Giuliani talked enthusiastically to Hutchinson about plans to go to the Capitol, she said.

“It’s going to be great,” Giuliani said to her, Hutchinson said. “The president’s going to be there. He’s going to look powerful.”

When she walked into Meadows’ office to relay what Giuliani told her, she said Meadows responded with the remark about how “bad” the situation may be on Jan. 6.

“That evening was the first moment that I remember feeling scared and nervous for what could happen on Jan. 6,” she told the panel.

Hutchinson testified that Meadows generally knew about the potential for violence on Jan. 6 but failed to act. Both Meadows and Giuliani expressed an interest in seeking pardons over the events of Jan. 6, Hutchinson testified. Giuliani on Tuesday denied asking for a pardon. Meadows has not commented on Hutchinson’s testimony.

White House lawyers worried about criminal charges

Several White House staffers expressed concerns about the legality of what Trump intended to do on Jan. 6, Hutchinson told the committee. Specific crimes they were concerned about, she said, included defrauding the electoral count or obstructing justice.

One point of contention was Trump’s speech at the Ellipse, Hutchinson said. She recalled Trump lawyer Eric Herschmann urging speechwriters to avoid “foolish” language that Trump requested be included, such as the phrases “fight for me” and “we’re going to march to the Capitol.”

On the morning of Jan. 6, Hutchinson said White House counsel Pat Cipollone was adamant that Trump shouldn’t accompany his supporters to the Capitol.

“We’re going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen,” she recalled Cipollone telling her at the time.

Trump knew his supporters were armed

With the committee displaying texts from Jan. 6 as visual aids, Hutchinson recalled how Trump was “furious” with the crowd size of his rally at the Ellipse on Jan. 6 and with advisers who didn’t want to let in individuals who had weapons. Those weapons included pistols, rifles, bear spray and flagpoles with spears attached to them, officials warned, according to Hutchinson.

Trump, she said, wanted the metal detectors to be taken away.

“I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, “I don’t f—— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f—— mags away. Let my people in,” she recalled. “They can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in. Take the f—— mags away.”

Cheney said Hutchinson’s testimony established that Trump “was aware that a number of individuals in the crowd had weapons and were wearing body armor” when he spoke at the rally and urged them to then march to the Capitol.

She asked Americans to “reflect on that for a moment”

An ‘irate’ Trump grabbed the wheel inside presidential SUV

In one of the hearing’s most shocking moments, Hutchinson recalled hearing how Trump turned “irate” as he was driven away from the Ellipse after being told by his security that he could not go to the Capitol to meet supporters.

Hutchinson was not in the SUV at the time but said she heard the account from Tony Ornato, a senior Secret Service official, when everyone was back at the White House. Also in the room was Bobby Engel, the head of Trump’s security detail, Hutchinson said

“The president said something to the effect of, ‘I’m the effing president, take me up to the Capitol now’ — to which Bobby responded, ‘Sir, we have to go back to the West Wing,'” she continued. “The president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said, ‘Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.’

“Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel and when Mr. Ornato recounted this story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles,” she said.

In a statement later Tuesday, the Secret Service reiterated that it had been cooperating and intended to continue to cooperate with the House committee, “including by responding on the record” to Hutchinson’s testimony.

Two sources familiar confirmed to ABC News that Trump had indeed requested to go to Capitol on Jan. 6 and that the Secret Service refused due to security concerns. One of those sources said that the former president did return to his vehicle after his speech at the Ellipse and asked Engel if he could go to the Capitol, with Engel responding, essentially, that it was unwise.

In another alleged incident of Trump having an outburst, Hutchinson told the committee Tuesday that he threw his lunch at the wall in the White House dining room after learning about then-Attorney General Bill Barr’s interview with the Associated Press in which Barr made it clear the Department of Justice found no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. It wasn’t the first time Trump threw a dish or tablecloth in anger, Hutchinson said.

Meadows wanted to go to the ‘war room’ on Jan. 5

Hutchinson testified that the White House was aware of a “war room” assembled in the Willard Hotel in Washington on the night of Jan. 5.

Hutchinson said Trump asked Meadows to speak by phone with Roger Stone, a longtime Trump aide, and former national security adviser Michael Flynn the day before the rally, and that Meadows asked her to look into setting up Secret Service for him to go to the nerve center of the “Stop the Steal” movement that night.

She said she expressed to Meadows she didn’t think was a “smart idea” or “something appropriate for the White House chief of staff to attend or be involved in,” coming days after she overheard Guiliani mentioning “Oath Keepers” and “Proud Boys,” she testified earlier.

Eventually, Meadows dropped the request and said he would dial into a meeting, Hutchinson recalled.

Stone, for his part, said through his attorney that he and Meadows did not talk. “Unequivocally stated, Mr. Stone did not speak to or otherwise communicate with Mr. Meadows on January 5th or 6th. Additionally, Mr. Stone did not receive a call from Mr. Meadows on either day,” Grant Smith exclusively told ABC News.

Flynn, who Trump pardoned in December 2020 for lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador, previously appeared before the committee and repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

In a clip played by the committee, Cheney asked Flynn if he “believed in the peaceful transition of power.”

“The Fifth,” Flynn replied.

ABC News’ Luke Barr, Ali Dukakis, Katherine Faulders, Ben Siegel and Pierre Thomas contributed to this report.

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