Army vet charged in Florida double murder may remain at large in Ukraine

Army vet charged in Florida double murder may remain at large in Ukraine
Army vet charged in Florida double murder may remain at large in Ukraine
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(NEW YORK) — Russia’s invasion of Ukraine prompted thousands of people to leave the Eastern European country, but should North Carolina native Craig Lang depart Ukraine and return to the United States, he could immediately be taken into custody by federal authorities.

Lang, a 32-year-old U.S. Army veteran-turned-murder suspect who previously moved to Ukraine, is one of two former soldiers accused of killing husband and wife Danny and Deana Lorenzo in southwest Florida nearly four years ago.

FBI investigators say that the Lorenzos, who were also military veterans, were fatally shot in April 2018 in an Estero parking lot after they traveled nearly three hours to respond to an online firearms advertisement.

Sheriff’s deputies found 63 bullet casings at the scene, with bullet holes riddling the Lorenzos’ vehicle.

“She was scared. I know she had to be,” Deana Lorenzo’s sister Angie Crowder told ABC News.

Residents of this Fort Myers suburb were left mystified about the alleged ambush for more than a year until the Department of Justice announced federal charges against Lang and co-defendant Alex Zwiefelhofer in connection with the Lorenzos’ deaths.

Zwiefelhofer was taken into federal custody in Wisconsin in 2019 and has pleaded not guilty.

Lang has yet to appear before a federal judge. He has denied involvement in the Florida murders and has fought extradition back to the United States. Relatives of the Lorenzos, including Crowder, are in anguish.

“We all want answers,” Crowder said. “I would like to see him come back and stand charges.”

Living in plain sight halfway across the world

In the spring of 2021, ABC News traveled roughly 5,000 miles to Ukraine in search of Lang. He was found to be living openly with a Ukrainian wife and child in a Kyiv neighborhood.

Lang, who was previously arrested for brandishing a gun near the home of one of his American ex-wives after he went AWOL, agreed to an on-camera interview with ABC News Investigative Correspondent David Scott. However, Lang refused to answer questions during the interview about the murders in Florida.

“I can’t discuss … anything about Florida [or] pretty much anything about my time in the United States in 2018,” Lang said. “I can’t talk about any of that.”

While the DOJ continues to seek his extradition, Lang told Scott that he is seeking asylum in Ukraine.

“I believe that the United States government intends to prosecute me and other veterans of this conflict here for our service in Ukraine,” he said, arguing that he is a victim of Russian propaganda and American political persecution.

After being discharged by the U.S. Army, he says he first arrived in Ukraine around 2016 and joined far-right militias such as the Azov Battalion and Right Sector. Both groups have been accused of human rights abuses by Amnesty International and have alleged ties to American white power organizations.

Lang denies that he is a right-wing extremist.

“I’m going to say that the amount of, like, neo-Nazis or people with extreme views is very, very minimal, very, very minimal,” he said. “Is there extremism to a small degree? There might be some extremism, yes.”

Small militias, major role

Since Russia’s 2014 invasion of Crimea, to bolster its defenses against those in its eastern regions seeking to separate from Ukraine and join Russia, Ukraine has relied on local militia groups, some of which have been linked to the nation’s far-right political movements by Amnesty International and The Soufan Center.

Such battalions with ties to Ukraine’s far-right fringe political parties may have empowered Russian President Vladimir Putin to spread the false message that “denazification” was the goal of his invasion, despite Ukraine’s elected government having the support of the United States and other Western democracies.

Scott questioned Lang about the far-right ideology reportedly behind the Azov Battalion, but Lang said that he did not think that the group’s membership included anyone with extremist views.

Over an hour into the conversation, after being pressed on racist statements reportedly made by former Azov Battalion commander Andriy Biletsky, Lang ended the interview.

“I’m going to go ahead and leave,” Lang told Scott.

‘A threat to the homeland’

Lang is one of a number of Americans who have reportedly either traveled to Ukraine over the last decade to fight for far-right paramilitary groups or have sought to do so.

The FBI alleged that Jarrett William Smith, an Army veteran who pleaded guilty in 2020 to federal charges of distributing information related to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction, had a “desire to fight in Ukraine” and communicated about his plans with Lang on Facebook.

“It was as if [Smith] wanted to use the Army to get the training that he needed to be successful going overseas, fighting on behalf of this white supremacist organization,” former federal prosecutor Anthony Mattivi said.

Smith is not alleged to have ultimately fought in Ukraine. When asked about Smith, Lang called him an extremist and confirmed that they connected on Facebook, but said that he turned Smith away from his Ukrainian unit.

“I wasn’t going out and recruiting people. I wasn’t saying, ‘Oh, come out and join us,” Lang said. “What was happening is I was simply a point of contact for a lot of foreigners that came into this country, and there’s a lot of good people that came into the country.”

The Soufan Center warned in a 2019 report that Ukraine had already become an attractive stop for far-right extremists.

“Americans have gone to fight as mercenary soldiers in far-right and paramilitary units in Ukraine,” University of Chicago Assistant Professor Kathleen Belew said. “They do pose a threat to the homeland.”

From eastern Ukraine to the East Coast

Lang and Zwiefelhofer are American, but the FBI says that the two alleged murderers initially met in eastern Ukraine more than five years ago while fighting for a far-right militia against Russian-backed separatists.

Federal prosecutors allege that after returning to the United States together, Lang and Zwiefelhofer came up with the plot to rob and kill the Lorenzos in 2018 “to fund their planned travel to Venezuela.”

A superseding indictment also claimed that Zwiefelhofer and Lang conspired with each other to travel to Venezuela and commit murder, kidnapping, and maiming as part of a “military expedition and enterprise” there.

Lang, who said that he has never been to Venezuela, declined to comment on whether he considered the South American nation to be a potential frontline for him.

At some point after the Lorenzos’ deaths, Lang ended up back in Ukraine and said he became an English instructor there, despite being wanted in Florida on federal criminal charges.

Fighters and false claims

While many Americans left Ukraine ahead of the Russian invasion, some groups made recent efforts to encourage others to do the opposite.

In January, an international message board for neo-Nazis urged American followers to join far-right militias to help fight Russian troops and pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine, where local civilian fighters had been prepared to assist the Ukrainian military due to the mobilization of Russian forces.

This effort came a month before Putin falsely claimed that he is looking to rid Ukraine of Nazis and suggested that the country’s far-right has control of its government, using these lies as pretexts for war.

Ukraine’s president is Jewish and, according to the Center for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University, Russia has had its own extremist militias fighting alongside Russian-based separatists in Ukraine.

One such group was the Russian Imperial Movement, which has reportedly cultivated ties with American neo-Nazis and offered to train white nationalists at the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va.

“One important thing to understand about white power and militant right groups is that they are fundamentally opportunistic,” Belew said. “When we have a major … point of tension like we’re seeing in the Ukraine right now, it’s very, very likely that actors will exploit that tension.”

‘I’ll just break out and cry’

With war now underway in Ukraine, it remains unclear when or if Lang will end up being forcibly returned to American soil to face trial in federal court.

Back in Florida, Crowder says she is still grieving the loss of her sister and brother-in-law while hoping that justice will be served.

“I still have my moments and sometimes, I’ll just break out and cry,” Crowder said.

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GOP leaders condemn Greene, Gosar for attending white nationalist event

GOP leaders condemn Greene, Gosar for attending white nationalist event
GOP leaders condemn Greene, Gosar for attending white nationalist event
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(WASHINGTON) — Days after GOP Reps. Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene appeared at an event organized by a white nationalist, Republican party leaders are condemning them for attending.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell released a statement Monday criticizing white supremacist hate.

“There’s no place in the Republican Party for white supremacists or anti-Semitism,” McConnell said in a statement first reported by Politico.

Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy told reporters Monday afternoon that he found Greene and Gosar’s attendance “unacceptable.”

McCarthy suggested to reporters that he plans to speak with both Gosar and Greene later this week.

“To me, it was appalling and wrong,” McCarthy told reporters. “There’s no place in our party for any of this.”

“The party should not be associated any time any place with somebody who is anti-Semitic…This is unacceptable,” he added.

McCarthy was in Israel last week with a congressional delegation. He told Punchbowl News that the news of Greene and Gosar’s attendance was particularly upsetting because of his recent visit.

Greene and Gosar have both previously been stripped of their committee assignments for their egregious behavior.

McCarthy, however, has previously said he would restore their assignments if Republicans take back the House in November.

McCarthy told CNN and another reporter outside his office that even though Greene claimed not to know who the event organizer was “with that introduction, you should have walked off stage.”

Shortly before introducing Greene, Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist who organized the event, led participants in applause for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and chanted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s name.

Republican Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, when asked about Greene’s behavior Monday, also condemned the event but stopped short of condemning her members.

“White supremacy. Neo Nazism, hate speech, and bigotry are disgusting. They have no place or home and our party.”

McDaniel didn’t say whether the party would take any further action against its members, such as censuring them. Instead, she said she “would let the process play out” and see if any members brought any censures forward at a party meeting in August.

The criticism follows recent comments by former President Donald Trump, who continues to praise Putin. During an interview with the conservative radio show “The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show” on Tuesday, Trump labeled Putin’s tactics “genius” and “savvy.” Trump ultimately slammed the invasion on Saturday night at the Conservative Political Action Conference but called Putin “smart.”

Greene and Gosar’s appearance at the conference Friday night is now renewing calls for them to be reprimanded by fellow Republicans in Congress.

“In any other world, Greene speaking at a white supremacist conference where attendees have defended Vladimir Putin and praised Adolf Hitler would warrant expulsion from the caucus, to say nothing of her advocacy for violence and consistent anti-Semitism is disgusting,” Democratic National Committee spokesperson Ammar Moussa said.

Greene, however, has doubled down on her appearance.

“I won’t cancel others in the conservative movement, even if I find some of their statements tasteless, misguided or even repulsive at times. I encourage them to seek wisdom, and apologize to those who have been hurt by their words, as I’ve had to do,” she said. “Our faith calls for charity and forgiveness.”

“We’re not going to be deterred by journalists and Washington insiders who fear the name of Our Lord, and relentlessly attack those of us who proclaim His name. We know that Christ is our only judge,” she added.

Over the weekend, in addition to claiming she didn’t know who Fuentes was, Greene said she went to the event to reach his young audience and to discuss “American First” policies.

Last month, Fuentes was subpoenaed by the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

ABC News’ Mariam Khan contributed to this report.

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311 adds second leg to spring US tour

311 adds second leg to spring US tour
311 adds second leg to spring US tour
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You’ll have even more chances to see 311 live this year.

The “Down” rockers have added a second leg to their upcoming spring U.S. headlining tour, running from May 12 in Ventura, California, to June 5 in Grand Junction, Colorado. Tickets go on sale this Friday, March 4, at 10 a.m. local time.

The tour’s previously announced first leg will wind through the States throughout March and April, and includes the live return of the 311 Day celebration, taking place March 11-12 in Las Vegas.

For all of 311’s upcoming tour dates and ticket info, visit 311.com.

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Van Morrison taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees

Van Morrison taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees
Van Morrison taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees
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Van Morrison is among the music artists and composers who will discuss their Oscar nominations for this year’s Best Original Song honor during a virtual event hosted by the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

You can tune in to watch beginning March 3 at 8 p.m. ET. The event is free to watch, though you do need to register ahead of time.

Morrison is nominated for his song “Down to Joy,” from the film Belfast.

The conversation will also include Billie Eilish and her brother FINNEAS, Diane Warren, Lin-Manuel Miranda, and Dixson, who are nominated for their respective songs for the James Bond film No Time to Die, Four Good Days, Encanto and King Richard. Disco and funk legend Nile Rodgers, who is the current chairman of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, will moderate the discussion alongside Oscar-winning composer Paul Williams.

Incidentally, Morrison is a Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee, as are Warren, Rodgers and Williams.

For more info, visit SongHall.org.

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Van Morrison, Diane Warren taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees

Van Morrison, Diane Warren taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees
Van Morrison, Diane Warren taking part in virtual event celebrating 2022 Best Original Song Oscar nominees
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Van Morrison and prolific hit songwriter Diane Warren are among the music artists and composers who will discuss their Oscar nominations for this year’s Best Original Song honor during a virtual event hosted by the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

You can tune in to watch beginning March 3 at 8 p.m. ET. The event is free to watch, though you do need to register ahead of time.

Morrison is nominated for his song “Down to Joy,” heard in the film Belfast, while Warren is being recognized for the tune “Somehow You Do,” from the movie Four Good Days.

The conversation will also include Billie Eilish and her brother FINNEAS, Lin-Manuel Miranda, and Dixson, who are nominated for their respective songs for the James Bond film No Time to Die, Encanto and King Richard. Disco and funk legend Nile Rodgers, who is the current chairman of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, will moderate the discussion alongside Oscar-winning composer Paul Williams.

Incidentally, Morrison and Warren are both Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees, as are Rodgers and Williams.

For more info, visit SongHall.org.

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Jan. 6 committee spent $1.6M this past quarter, indicating heightened activity

Jan. 6 committee spent .6M this past quarter, indicating heightened activity
Jan. 6 committee spent .6M this past quarter, indicating heightened activity
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(WASHINGTON) — The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol has spent more than $2 million on its investigation, including $1.64 million between October and December — an indication that the panel’s work is speeding up.

The $1.64 million is roughly four times the $418,000 the panel spent from July to September of 2021, according to spending disclosures. The increased spending is a sign of how much the committee is expanding its work ahead of public hearings and an interim report that’s expected this spring and summer.

Much of the big jump in the committee’s spending comes from an increase in payroll, with the panel reporting $1.2 million in personnel compensation in the final three months of last year compared to just $327,000 from July through September.

The committee hired 12 additional staff members last quarter, bringing the total headcount to 41, up from 29 in September of 2021. The new staffers include investigators and attorneys with experience studying organized crime, terrorism, cryptocurrency, and financial crimes, as well as several former federal prosecutors.

Committee staffers are divided into color-coded teams, with each group focused on a different aspect of the sprawling investigation — from financing and extremist groups to former President Donald Trump’s communication with GOP lawmakers before and on Jan. 6.

The committee also spent more than $300,000 on “other services” in the final three months of last year, as well as a sizable amount on equipment, supplies, rent and utilities.

According to filings, the Jan. 6 committee overall spent just a little more in the fourth quarter than the House Intelligence Committee, which reported spending $1.61 million. But that amount was far less than many other committees, including the House Oversight & Reform Committee, the House Judiciary Committee, and the House Homeland Security Committee, which in the fourth quarter spent $3.6 million, $2.2 million and $2 million, respectively.

To date, the Jan. 6 panel has conducted nearly 600 interviews, issued more than 75 subpoenas, and obtained tens of thousands of official Trump White House and administration records from the National Archives.

They have also sought records from members of the former president’s inner circle, including former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s son Eric Trump, and Kimberly Guilfoyle, a campaign fundraiser who is engaged to Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.

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‘No reason’ to change US nuclear alert level amid Putin’s threat: Psaki

‘No reason’ to change US nuclear alert level amid Putin’s threat: Psaki
‘No reason’ to change US nuclear alert level amid Putin’s threat: Psaki
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(WASHINGTON) — As the U.S. and other Western nations considered how to address Russian aggression, the Pentagon and White House said Monday the U.S. saw no need to change the its nuclear alert level despite Russian President Vladimir Putin making a a veiled threat Sunday that he was doing so.

“We are assessing Putin’s directive and at this time we see no reason to change our own alert level,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said.

“The United States nor NATO has any desire for conflict with Russia, and we think provocative rhetoric like this regarding nuclear weapons is dangerous, adds to the risk of miscalculation, should be avoided, and we’ll not indulge in it,” she said.

Asked by a reporter after a Black History Month event whether Americans should be worried about nuclear was, President Joe Biden quickly responded, “No.”

Psaki also said that the $350 million in aid that Biden approved to be delivered to Ukraine will arrive “within the next couple of days” although that has been complicated by disputed airspace over and near Ukraine. At the same time, she effectively ruled out NATO enforcing a no-fly zone in the area.

Earlier Monday, Biden held a call with allies and partners to coordinate the ongoing response to as Ukraine and Russia held talks on a possible cease-fire in the invasion.

The call included European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Polish President Andrzej Duda, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis, and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

That call comes as Russian and Ukrainian leaders met for talks for six hours at the Belarusian border on Monday morning.

A Ukrainian spokesman said in a statement afterward that there may be another round of negotiations.

“The Ukrainian and Russian delegations held the first round of talks today, the main purpose of which was to discuss the issues of a cease-fire on the territory of Ukraine and hostilities,” Mikhail Podolyak said.

At the State Department, the U.S. response was skeptical.

“Diplomacy at the barrel of a gun, diplomacy at the turret of a tank – that is not real diplomacy,” spokesperson Ned Price said. Though he said that the U.S., Ukraine, and European allies still believe dialogue is the way forward, he clarified that “diplomacy is highly unlikely to bear fruit – to prove effective – in the midst of not only confrontation, but escalation.” Later, he said, “In order for it to bear fruit, it needed to take place in the context of de-escalation.”

The White House on Monday also laid out more specifics about sanctions announced over the weekend in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

The sanctions on Russia’s Central Bank prevent the Russian government from access more than $600 billion in reserves in the U.S., or in U.S. dollars in foreign countries. Officials said that from it was evident that Putin planned to use the central bank’s assets to offset the effects of sanctions from Western countries.

A senior White House official said they “represent the most significant actions the U.S. Treasury has taken against an economy of this size, and assets of this size.”

“Today’s announcement that prohibit transactions with the Central Bank of Russia in the national wealth fund will significantly hinder their ability to do that, and inhibit their access to hundreds of billions of dollars in assets from our actions alone, they will not be able to access assets that are either in United States or in US dollars,” officials said.

Beyond sanctions, the U.S., among other nations, is providing material support to Ukraine as it tries to beat back Russian forces. A senior defense official said Monday that the U.S. is continuing “to provide security assistance to Ukraine, and that includes in just the last day or so.”

“We don’t have any indications that that there’s been a blockage or impediment to continued assistance coming from the west to the Ukrainian armed forces,” the senior defense official said. “And as I said, that support continues to flow not just from the United States, but from other nations as well.”

However, the defense official was hesitant to give specifics about the details of U.S. support to Ukrainian forces given so that the support is not “disrupted.”

“I will remain reticent to talk about the methods in which and the ways in which we’re going to look for ways to continue to provide our support precisely because we want to make sure it gets into the hands of Ukrainian armed forces and Ukrainian fighters and we don’t want that to be disrupted,” a senior defense official said.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby declined to talk about the potential of that aid being disrupted during a press briefing Monday.

“We’re going to continue to provide security assistance to Ukrainian armed forces, and we’re still going to look for ways to do that, in the most effective, efficient way possible,” Kirby said.

ABC News’ Sarah Kolinovsky, Justin Gomez, Matt Seyler, Conor Finnegan, Benjamin Gittleson, Joseph Simoetti and Libby Cathey contributed to this report.

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Jamie Foxx teases another collabo with Kanye West

Jamie Foxx teases another collabo with Kanye West
Jamie Foxx teases another collabo with Kanye West
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Jamie Foxx and Kanye West hit number one with consecutive collabos in 2003 and 2005, and now the Spider-Man: No Way Home star is hinting he and the superstar rapper are ready for round three.

The second episode of Kanye’s Netflix documentary series, Jeen-Yuhs: A Kanye Trilogy, which debuted over the weekend, featured footage of the duo recording “Slow Jamz” at Foxx’s home studio in 2003. Following the episode, Ye and Jamie teased that they were working on another song together on XXL Magazine‘s Instagram Live.

“I told you, back at that time, man, that [Kanye] was young and hungry,” the actor/singer/comedian said. “Now look at us. There’s a reason we ran into each other. Can’t wait for y’all to see the next step.”

In the documentary, we see Yeezy playing Foxx a snippet of the then-in-process song that appeared on Twista‘s 2003 Kamikaze album, and Kanye’s 2004 solo debut, The College Dropout.

“Slow Jamz” hit the top of the Billboard Hot 100 in February 2004. Two years later, Kanye and Jamie also reached number one with their follow-up, “Gold Digger,” from Kanye’s second album, Late Registration. The song was certified seven-times Platinum by the RIAA and won a Grammy for Best Rap Solo Performance.

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Music notes: Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Encanto, Meghan Trainor and more

Music notes: Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Encanto, Meghan Trainor and more
Music notes: Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Encanto, Meghan Trainor and more
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Ariana Grande and her Wicked co-star Cynthia Erivo are becoming great friends.  Cynthia, who plays Elphaba in the forthcoming movie version of the Broadway musical, told E! News, “Ariana and I have been meeting and chatting and talking and building our own relationship. Because we know that it’s a sisterhood. We both want to be ready and prepared to be there for one another.”  Cynthia added that she and Ari, who’ll play Glinda, are excited for production to start.

Katy Perry left the taping of Jimmy Kimmel Live in style — dressed as a giant poo.  People reports the “Roar” hitmaker wore a giant poop costume as she exited the late-night show last week.  The interesting attire is similar to a prop from her Play residency in Las Vegas, which appears from a giant toilet as she sings “California Girls.”

“We Don’t Talk About Bruno,” from Disney’s Encanto, is still the number-one song in America, now notching a fifth week atop the Billboard Hot 100.  The viral song was streamed 29.9 million times last week and sold an additional 6,600 copies.  Glass Animals‘ “Heat Waves” remains in second place, while GAYLE climbs to third with her hit “abcdefu.”  Disney is the parent company of ABC News.

Meghan Trainor and her son Riley are in the same mommy-baby music group as fellow new moms Mandy Moore and Ashley Tisdale.  Mandy told The Kelly Clarkson Show the class, which Hilary Duff started during the pandemic, was “essential” because it created a supportive “community” allowing their kids to “grow up together.”

Britney Spears celebrated fiancé Sam Asghari’s birthday by flashing her gigantic engagement ring. The two announced their engagement in September. “My hero … my mentor … my rock … my bliss … my love,” Britney called Sam in a sweet Instagram post.

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More drama, drinking and “unfortunate circumstances” await in ‘Below Deck: Sailing Yacht’

More drama, drinking and “unfortunate circumstances” await in ‘Below Deck: Sailing Yacht’
More drama, drinking and “unfortunate circumstances” await in ‘Below Deck: Sailing Yacht’
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All aboard: The new season of Bravo’s Below Deck has set sail! Below Deck: Sailing Yacht is back for its third season, which promises more drama, drinking — and “unfortunate circumstances.”

Chief Stewardess Daily Kelliher told ABC Audio about a “serious” incident that rattled the crew of her luxury sailing yacht. “We don’t crash. We run aground. But it’s pretty serious. They were just unfortunate circumstances,” she explained, adding, “No one was injured.”

There’s something else that happens that Kelliher isn’t a super big fan of — she hates it when the yacht leans sideways, even though it happens no matter how much sailing experience one has. “No five-star hotels should be tilted on its side. Like it’s always going to be a disaster,” she remarked, adding it’s a bad look for her crew.

And while there’s plenty of drama this season for fans to snack on, there’s also plenty of drinking and hooking up.  Kelliher admits it’s not all for show because her crew would be doing the same things if the cameras weren’t there. 

“Maybe not as intense,” she explained. “Below Deck is a special formula. There’s a lot of turnarounds, and very intense guests… You’re caught up in a in a special environment, something that not everyone can understand. You’re in our own little bubble.”

Despite Below Deck‘s growing popularity, Kelliher still doesn’t consider herself a celebrity.  While she is “proud of the show and being part of it,” she admits, “I don’t like to publicly tell people I’m on Below Deck.”

“I’m a yachtie. That’s my job. This just happens to be kind of my sideline maybe. We’ll say my side hustle,” she said.

Below Deck: Sailing Yacht airs at 8 p.m. ET Monday night on Bravo.

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