All the debt ceiling options, explained, if Biden and McCarthy don’t reach a deal

All the debt ceiling options, explained, if Biden and McCarthy don’t reach a deal
All the debt ceiling options, explained, if Biden and McCarthy don’t reach a deal
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(WASHINGTON) — With the clock ticking for lawmakers to reach a debt ceiling deal or risk an unprecedented default, several emergency scenarios and short-term fixes are being debated.

A White House meeting between President Joe Biden and congressional leaders on Tuesday, which was the first major discussion between the parties in months, ended without a deal.

Staffers have been meeting daily since then to try to make progress, according to the White House, and the leaders are expected to meet again early next week.

But lawmakers are barreling toward default as early as June, according to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, though the exact date is uncertain.

Democrats say raising the debt ceiling is nonnegotiable and argue it should be done without conditions, while Republicans are pushing to tie long-sought federal spending cuts to any increase.

Two potential areas of agreement in budget negotiations appeared to have emerged: unspent COVID-19 money and energy permitting reforms.

But if there’s no deal between Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, here are possible options being discussed to avoid or delay default.

A short-term fix

Lawmakers could agree to raise debt ceiling for a short period of time to avoid default while negotiations continue on federal spending. The issue would most likely be punted until Sept. 30, which is the end of the fiscal year.

Biden this week signaled a possible compromise on unspent COVID-19 money, saying he would consider clawing back those funds as Republicans have proposed — but didn’t say whether that would be part of debt limit talks.

“I’m not ruling anything out,” Biden said when asked Tuesday whether he’d support a short-term increase.

But neither side seems all-in on such a scenario.

“He’s gotta stop ignoring problems,” McCarthy said about Biden. “And why continue to kick the can down the road? Let’s solve it now.”

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre also said a short-term fix wasn’t the administration’s “plan” either.

Invoking the 14th Amendment

The impasse has raised questions about whether the Biden administration can unilaterally act to avoid default by essentially declaring the debt ceiling unconstitutional.

“I have been considering the 14th Amendment,” Biden told reporters on Tuesday. But he expressed concern it would be litigated and take months to resolve, ultimately not solving the problem fast enough.

The 14th Amendment states, “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

McCarthy and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have rejected the idea. “Unconstitutionally acting without Congress is also not an option,” McConnell said.

Payment prioritization, trillion-dollar coin and other tools

Some have said the Treasury Department could prioritize some payments if the debt limit is not increased. The GOP-led House Ways and Means Committee advanced a bill in March that would require the Treasury to first pay all principal and interest on the national debt, then all Social Security and Medicare benefits.

But officials have questioned how feasible payment prioritization is, and economists have predicted it would still likely lead to job losses and higher unemployment

Yellen told the House panel in March that such a scenario was just “default by another name.”

“The government, on average, makes millions of payments each day, and our systems are built to pay all of our bills on time and not to pick and choose which bills to pay,” Yellen said. “It would be an exceptionally risky, untested and radical departure from normal payment practices of agencies across the federal government.”

Another idea floated in past debt ceiling battles and now is the minting of a trillion-dollar coin — or a coin of another large denomination — by the Treasury to keep paying its bills.

Biden revealed Tuesday that his team hadn’t looked into the idea of a trillion-dollar coin as a potential workaround, and Yellen previously dismissed it as a “gimmick.”

“The only responsible path forward here is for Congress and the administration to work together to expeditiously pass a debt ceiling increase. Any scenario that does not envision a passage of a debt limit increase prior to the deadline puts at significant risk the safety and soundness of the U.S. dollar and the U.S. markets and the U.S. economy,” Chris Campbell, chief policy strategist at the financial services firm Kroll and a former assistant Treasury secretary, told ABC News.

“That being said, any serious Secretary of Treasury — which all of them in the United States have been — I’m certain are carefully reviewing their options should Congress and the administration not come to an agreement by the time that the debt ceiling is breached,” Campbell said “In the extremely unlikely event that that occurs, I’m certain that the Treasury Secretary would have a series of options at her disposal to be able to work through the challenges should that occur.”

Discharge petition

House Democrats have been laying the groundwork for a discharge petition, ABC News previously reported.

The petition is a complicated procedural tool that would allow members of the House to move a bill out of a committee and bring it to the floor without the support of the majority party leadership.

The petition requires 218 signatures to force a vote, meaning Democrats would need to get the support of at least five Republicans, and timing constraints.

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As Title 42 expires, is Joe Biden doing what he condemned Donald Trump for?

As Title 42 expires, is Joe Biden doing what he condemned Donald Trump for?
As Title 42 expires, is Joe Biden doing what he condemned Donald Trump for?
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(WASHINGTON) — The last time Joe Biden and Donald Trump shared a debate stage, the Democratic presidential nominee repeatedly attacked his opponent over his administration’s immigration policies.

“This is the first president in the history of the United States of America that anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country. That’s never happened before. That’s never happened before in our country,” Biden said with outrage.

“You come to the United States, and you make your case. That’s how you seek asylum, based on the following premise: Why I deserve it under American law,” the former vice president added at the time.

But now, that very criticism has come back around more than two years into Biden’s own term because critics — including members of his own party — human rights groups, and immigration lawyers say he has now implemented something close to what his predecessor did.

“Promises broken,” tweeted Julián Castro, who served with Biden in President Barack Obama’s cabinet and ran against him during the 2020 Democratic primary.

Biden administration officials, however, are quick to reject that idea, saying the new restrictions on asylum that the Biden administration announced on Wednesday do not close off the opportunity to seek asylum like Trump tried to do.

“This is not a ban on asylum. This is very different than the asylum ban that President Trump issued,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told ABC News Wednesday. “Our president has led the expansion of lawful pathways more than anyone in our history.”

The ban is different from Trump’s in a critical way. After penalizing Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador with cuts in aid, the Trump administration was able to force the three Central American countries to sign agreements saying they were so-called “safe countries” — meaning ones in which migrants seeking asylum would have to apply for the legal protection.

This meant that migrants reaching the southern U.S. border could not qualify for asylum if they transited one of those three countries — a policy that a federal judge ultimately struck down in Trump’s final days in office.

“Rather than ensure their safety, the rule increases the risk asylum applicants will be subjected to violence,” Judge Jon Tigar wrote, adding it was “inconsistent with existing asylum laws” and “deprives vulnerable asylum applicants of essential procedural safeguards.”

But Biden’s rule is quite similar. It requires a migrant seeking asylum to have first applied for and been denied the legal protection in another country. If not, it doesn’t mean an outright rejection like under Trump, but a “presumption of ineligibility.” In other words, an asylum-seeker would still have the chance to apply for asylum after crossing the border, but they’d have to meet a “higher threshold of proof” that they have a “credible fear” of returning to their home country and therefore qualify,” Mayorkas said.

That’s not the only restriction, either.

Migrants must make an appointment to request asylum at a port of entry using the U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s app called CBP One. If not, and they cross the border without documents and outside a port of entry, they could face removal and a five-year ban on reentry.

Like Mayorkas referenced, Biden administration officials also point to the expanded lawful pathways to the U.S., including a parole program that admits up to 30,000 Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans a month — but only if they have a U.S.-based sponsor and apply from overseas and not after crossing the border. The administration has also committed to accepting this year up to 100,000 Guatemalans, Hondurans and Salvadorans who have family sponsors already in the U.S.

But migrant’s rights advocates say it’s no alternative to the right to law, enshrined under U.S. law. Like Trump’s so-called transit ban, they say, Biden’s new policy runs afoul of the section that specifies that migrants can apply for asylum once on U.S. soil “whether or not at a designated port of arrival.”

“At a time of unprecedented global displacement, the Biden administration has elected to defy decades of humanitarian protections enshrined in U.S. law and international agreements,” said Lee Williams, chief programs officer at Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, one of the largest U.S. resettlement agencies.

In particular, Williams condemned the requirement to first seek asylum in another country “as ludicrous as it is life-threatening” and the CBP One app “a life-or-death lottery.”

The app in particular has been the subject of ridicule because of glitches, including documented difficulty of taking photos of migrants with darker skin and the difficulty of obtaining an appointment, especially for families traveling together. CBP announced changes earlier this week, like prioritizing applicants who have been waiting the longest and making appointments available on a regular basis, not all at once at a scheduled time.

But for many, Biden’s new policies are particularly disheartening because of the very commitments that the president made during his campaign. On his campaign website, for example, he pledged to build a “fair and humane immigration system… ensuring the dignity of migrants and upholding their legal right to seek asylum.”

But even some of Biden’s own staffers have been disappointed. Jeremy Konyndyk, who was a senior Biden appointee at the U.S. Agency for International Development, said the policy “runs directly contrary to President Biden’s repeated and vocal promises to undo his predecessor’s weakening of U.S. asylum protections.”

“The U.S. reaction to unprecedented numbers of people needing refuge here should not be — must not be — simply changing policies to more easily deny them protection. Yet that will be the essential effect of this new policy,” added Konyndyk, now president of Refugees International.

ABC News’s Karen Travers contributed to this report.

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In Brief: The CW cuts ‘Kung Fu’ and ‘The Winchesters’, and more

In Brief: The CW cuts ‘Kung Fu’ and ‘The Winchesters’, and more
In Brief: The CW cuts ‘Kung Fu’ and ‘The Winchesters’, and more

Fox has renewed Gordon Ramsay‘s cooking challenge series Next Level Chef for a third and fourth season, the network announced Thursday. The show, in which Ramsay, Nyesha Arrington and Richard Blais recruit talented chefs and take them under their wings as they face unique cooking challenges with the goal of finding the food world’s newest superstar, launched its second season after this year’s Super Bowl and delivered 16.9 million viewers — the most for any cooking show in history…

The CW has axed The Winchesters and its Kung Fu reboot after one season and three seasons, respectively, according to The Hollywood Reporter. That leaves only All American and Walker returning next season. The network has also canceled Walker Independence, Superman & Lois, All American: Homecoming and Gotham Knights remain, with Superman & Lois having the best chance of returning, per the outlet. The Flash, Nancy Drew and Riverdale are ending this season, along with Stargirl, which already has…

A new stage musical based on the classic Nancy Drew adventure book series is in development from The Little Mermaid composer Alan Menken, Legally Blonde lyricist Nell Benjamin, two-time Oscar winner Sarah Kernochan and frequent Stephen Sondheim collaborator James Lapine, according to Deadline. Nancy Drew and the Mystery at Spotlight Manor: A Musical “seeks to bring her story to a whole new audience while celebrating the power of her legacy which has inspired generations,” according to an announcement from producers Daryl Roth, Lauren Mitchell and Revilo Imaginations…

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University of Idaho murder victim’s family ready to face suspect in court, vows to ‘make sure he doesn’t get away with it’

University of Idaho murder victim’s family ready to face suspect in court, vows to ‘make sure he doesn’t get away with it’
University of Idaho murder victim’s family ready to face suspect in court, vows to ‘make sure he doesn’t get away with it’
Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen. — Courtesy of the Goncalves family

(NEW YORK) — The family of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four University of Idaho students slain in a gruesome attack in November, vows to be there when her suspected killer returns to court next month.

“I can’t wait to see the evidence. … And then I’m gonna bring it,” Kaylee’s dad, Steve Goncalves, told ABC News. “And he’s gonna realize that this … is the family that’s gonna make sure he doesn’t get away with it.”

Kaylee, 21, was killed just weeks before she was set to graduate early from the University of Idaho and move to Texas for a new job.

In the early hours of Nov. 13, 2022, Kaylee; her lifelong best friend and roommate Madison Mogen; a third roommate, Xana Kernodle; and Kernodle’s boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, were stabbed to death inside the girls’ off-campus house. Two other roommates survived the shocking crime that garnered national intrigue.

After a six-week search for a suspect, 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger was arrested on Dec. 30. Kohberger, who was a Ph.D. student at nearby Washington State University at the time of the murders, has not entered a plea.

The Goncalves, a close-knit family with five kids, said they haven’t been able to establish any connection between their daughter and Kohberger.

“I’ve thought long and hard” about if Kaylee and Kohberger could have crossed paths, said Kaylee’s mom, Kristi Goncalves. “We’ve talked as a family, you know, we’ve done a lot of research on what’s out there. … None of it makes sense.”

As for rumors that Kohberger had attended a party at the girls’ home, the family doubts that ever happened.

“You’re not having just some random stranger at your party,” Kaylee’s brother, Steven, noted. If Kohberger had ever been at the house, “There’s plenty of things that would have quickly [been] noticed and [he’d be] removed from the party.”

Kristi Goncalves said when she saw Kohberger for the first time at an initial court appearance, “I was completely overwhelmed. I actually almost thought I was gonna pass out.”

“My daughter saw him face-to-face and in a very different light than we saw him, sitting there [in court], looking very meek,” she said.

The Goncalves family said they’ll be in court for Kohberger’s June 26 preliminary hearing and the ensuing trial.

“I think a big thing is for us to go in strong, united as a family,” Kristi Goncalves said. “I’ve never been to a preliminary trial before. … I have no idea what to expect, I have no idea what we’re going to hear. … But I know that I’ve got my son, and my daughter will be there, and my sister, and my husband.”

But Kristi Goncalves said she’ll try to avoid the courtroom during any graphic testimony.

“I’m not going to scar myself,” she said. “I have visions of my own that, you know, I have to deal with.”

Asked about any communications with the two roommates who survived the stabbings, Steve Goncalves said he spoke with one of them at a “celebration of life” event.

“We do have some family members that do reach out,” Steve Goncalves said. “It’s good to make sure that everybody going through this has somebody there to help them.”

In February, the University of Idaho announced that the house where the four students were killed will be demolished.

“I’m glad that somebody else isn’t gonna live in it,” Kristi Goncalves said.

But, she added, “It’s going to be very multifaceted for me, honestly, because my daughter lived in that home. She lived a happy life in that home, she loved living there with her friends. And for the real story, to be, like, what happened in that house was so horrific that it has to be torn down — that doesn’t happen that often. … For them to say, ‘No, we don’t want family in here, we don’t want anybody living in here. It’s got to be torn down’ — it’s definitely not happy.”

A memorial, including a garden, will be designed on the university’s campus in honor of the victims.

Graduation at the University of Idaho is this Saturday. The Goncalves will be there to receive Kaylee’s posthumous degree.

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Cleveland EMS worker missing for six days found safe

Cleveland EMS worker missing for six days found safe
Cleveland EMS worker missing for six days found safe
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(CLEVELAND) — Cleveland EMS worker Lachelle Jordan has been found safe, Cleveland Police Department Chief Dispatcher Tina Wickline told ABC News.

Authorities said that Jordan was last seen near Fairfield Avenue in Cleveland on May 6. Her family reported her missing the following day, prompting law enforcement to ask the public for help finding her. She was last seen wearing a blue and white East Cleveland Fire Department sweatshirt.

“We’re all just happy,” her father Joseph Jordan told ABC affiliate WEWS. He said that Jordan “looked to be okay, alert.”

In a surveillance video obtained by WEWS, Jordan can be seen walking into a convenience store barefoot with torn clothes. The convenience store, Open Pantry, is roughly three miles from where Jordan was last seen.

Jahid Islam, who was working in the store at the time, told ABC News that Jordan entered the store at roughly 10:50 p.m. and asked for a phone to call the police. Islam described that Jordan appeared “very weak”

“She asked me to give the phone, then she called the police first,” Islam said.

The circumstances around Jordan’s disappearance remain unclear. Her father Joseph Jordan previously told ABC News that Jordan was being stalked by Michael Stennett, who she was preparing to testify against in a rape an abduction case. Joseph Jordan said that Stennett violated a restraining order multiple times, both when Lachelle Jordan was at home and work. ABC News reached out to Stennett’s attorney Daniel Misiewicz for comment.

Cleveland Police said earlier this week there is no evidence connecting the Michael Stennett case to Jordan’s disappearance.

Yesterday, the Jordan’s family held a press conference to ask the public for help finding the EMT worker.

“We’re here to talk about the love of a family for a daughter who is missing,” Joseph Jordan said at the press conference.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

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Tornado outbreak hits America’s Heartland, with more in the forecast

Tornado outbreak hits America’s Heartland, with more in the forecast
Tornado outbreak hits America’s Heartland, with more in the forecast
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(NEW YORK) — A string of reported tornadoes touched down in America’s heartland on Thursday night.

At least 16 tornadoes were reported across five U.S. states overnight — Louisiana, Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Storm Prediction Center.

Some of the worst damage was reported in and around Noble, Oklahoma, about 30 miles south of Oklahoma City, where a tornado struck homes and businesses, according to local ABC affiliate KOCO.

More severe weather is expected to hit the region on Friday with huge hail, some tornadoes and damaging winds in the forecast.

The highest threat for hail and tornadoes will be from Kansas City, Kansas, to Des Moines, Iowa, and Omaha, Nebraska.

The highest threat for damaging winds will be from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, to Dallas, Midland and San Antonio, Texas.

Meanwhile, flash flooding will be a threat for five U.S. states on Friday and through the weekend, with alerts issued from Wyoming to Texas.

Some areas in Texas could see up to 10 inches of rain over the weekend into early next week, according to the National Weather Service.

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Book that fans thought was Taylor Swift’s memoir is actually about BTS

Book that fans thought was Taylor Swift’s memoir is actually about BTS
Book that fans thought was Taylor Swift’s memoir is actually about BTS
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Taylor Swift fans became convinced that an unnamed book due for release July 9 would be the singer’s memoir.  But it turns out it’s a book about another music act with an equally devoted fanbase: BTS.

Flatiron Books has confirmed to ABC News that July 9 will bring Beyond the Story: 10-Year Record of BTS. The 544-page book features an oral history of the group, as well as exclusive photographs.  The initial printing will be one million copies.

As the New York Times notes, July 9 was the date the group’s fan collective ARMY, was founded. The initial announcement of the book was set to come on June 13, which will be the K-pop superstars’ 10th anniversary.

Fans thought the book had something to do with Taylor because, among other things, July 9 is a date mentioned in one of her songs, and 13 is her lucky number.

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Bitcoin has climbed 65% this year despite crypto woes. Experts explain why.

Bitcoin has climbed 65% this year despite crypto woes. Experts explain why.
Bitcoin has climbed 65% this year despite crypto woes. Experts explain why.
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(NEW YORK) — The cryptocurrency industry, in recent months, has suffered some blows: high-profile bankruptcies, the arrest of wunderkind Sam Bankman-Fried and a regulator lawsuit against top crypto exchange Binance.

Despite it all, the price of the largest cryptocurrency, bitcoin, has surged.

Bitcoin has climbed 65% this year, far surpassing the S&P 500, which has jumped 7%. Even the Nasdaq, a tech-heavy index, has delivered just a quarter of bitcoin’s gains.

In fact, bitcoin has benefited from crises in the cryptocurrency arena, analysts said, since the unrest has pushed investors away from lesser-known coins and toward the sector’s household name.

Plus, the price has gained a boost from wider economic forces like trouble in the financial system and slowing interest rate hikes, they said.

But the coming months pose uncertainty, experts added, as a looming recession could test the performance of an asset less than 15 years old.

The blockbuster performance of bitcoin in 2023 comes after the digital currency’s price plummeted last year. In all, the price of bitcoin fell 65% last year, exceeding the losses suffered by the S&P 500, which dropped about 20%.

The price struggles for bitcoin, which extended throughout much of the cryptocurrency sector, coincided with an aggressive series of interest rate hikes that put downward pressure on many assets, including the major stock indexes.

“There had been a big bubble,” James Butterfill, head of research at digital asset management firm CoinShares, told ABC News. “The bubble was pricked by the Fed.”

The distress in cryptocurrency helped trigger a slew of failures. Last May, a major coin, Terra, collapsed along with its sister coin Luna. Meanwhile, several crypto lenders such as Block Fi, Celsius and Genesis filed for bankruptcy last year.

In dramatic fashion, crypto exchange FTX filed for bankruptcy in November after a collapse in a matter of days that was followed by the arrest of Bankman-Fried, the company’s founder and former CEO. Bankman-Fried has pleaded not guilty to all 13 counts he faces, including fraud and conspiracy.

The unrest last year sent crypto investors toward well-known digital currencies, Callie Cox, an analyst at the investment company eToro who tracks cryptocurrencies, told ABC News.

“Bitcoin has been the beneficiary of a flight to quality within the crypto industry,” Cox said. “This is the crypto name that my mom and your family probably know.”

Butterfill, of CoinShares, echoed the point: “People are becoming a lot more discerning. There are 50,000 crypto coins out there and a lot of them are rubbish.”

Ethereum, the world’s second-largest cryptocurrency, has surged 52% this year, benefiting as well from the rush toward prominent coins, Butterfill said.

The rise in the price of bitcoin has coincided with favorable developments across the wider economy, since the Federal Reserve has slowed its interest rate hikes and unrest in the traditional banking sector has pushed some investors to seek a digital alternative, experts said.

Since March, three of the nation’s 30-largest banks have collapsed. Shares of regional lender PacWest Bancorp plummeted on Thursday after the bank said it lost 9% of deposits last week, suggesting that financial instability persists.

“When the banking system faced threats, a lot of investors saw reason to doubt the financial system,” said Cox, of eToro. “They went looking for alternatives.”

There is little data available that depositors pulled money out of banks and placed it in bitcoin, Butterfill noted, adding that he had heard anecdotes of bank customers transferring funds to crypto.

If the Fed halts its rate hikes, as many investors expect, bitcoin could continue its rise over the latter part of the year, experts said. However, they cautioned that a potential recession could bring volatility.

“There might be nervousness about bitcoin as we move closer to a recession,” Cox said, pointing out that interest rates would remain elevated even after a pause. “There are a lot of crosswinds for crypto right now.”

Butterfill acknowledged uncertainty about the outlook of day-to-day performance for bitcoin, but remained optimistic about the remainder of 2023, even if it involves a recession.

“Economic data continues to deteriorate,” Butterfill said. “In that environment, bitcoin would be volatile and perform quite well.”

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Scoreboard roundup — 5/11/23

Scoreboard roundup — 5/11/23
Scoreboard roundup — 5/11/23
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(NEW YORK) — Here are the scores from Thursday’s sports events:

MAJOR LEAFUE BASEBALL

INTERLEAGUE
Minnesota 5, San Diego 3

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Kansas City 4, Chi White Sox 3
Tampa Bay 8, NY Yankees 2
Texas 4, Oakland 0

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Cincinnati 5, NY Mets 0
San Francisco 6, Arizona 2

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION PLAYOFFS
Boston 95, Philadelphia 86 (Series tied 3-3)
Denver 125, Phoenix 100 (Denver wins 4-2)

NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE PLAYOFFS
Carolina 3, New Jersey 2 (OT) (Carolina wins 4-1)
Dallas 5, Seattle 2 (Dallas leads 3-2)

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‘Book Club: The Next Chapter’ ponders the question: Do we choose our own fate?

‘Book Club: The Next Chapter’ ponders the question: Do we choose our own fate?
‘Book Club: The Next Chapter’ ponders the question: Do we choose our own fate?
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Imagine going on an Italian holiday with several of your best friends, for work! That’s what Jane FondaMary Steenburgen, and Candice Bergen got to do for their new film Book Club: The Next Chapter, and filming was just as fun for the trio as you think it would be.

“It never felt like work to me. It was pure pleasure,” Bergen tells ABC Audio.

Fonda echoed the same sentiment adding, “We went out for meals together. We ate pasta and gelato all the time. It was a blast.”

“Our Italian crew was amazing,” Steenburgen adds. “And then I have my dream team I get to work with. So it was just, it was heaven.”

In the new sequel, the trio’s characters go on an exciting Italian holiday, and in the process discover a lot about themselves and why they are where they are in life. A central question in the film is “Are we where we are because of fate, or do we make our own fate?”

“We have to steer our own way, deciding where we want to go. That’s what I believe,” Fonda shares. 

Steenburgen believes she’s in control, but once in a while leaves things up to a higher power.

“I don’t leave much of anything up to fate,” she begins. “I believe it’s important to have your eyes open and try to listen to the universe. I believe it’s important to have your eyes open and try to listen to the universe. But listen to your own soul. I do believe in angels. So I kind of occasionally ask for a little guidance.”

Meanwhile, Bergen says she has one guiding philosophy in her career when it comes to the roles she picks: “I don’t work with schmucks.”

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